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Friday, April 29, 2005

Bloggin & Konsole

So Stephan mentioned again that I had a entry at that I had forgotten about... it appears to be down currently. Perhaps I'll start blogging from there, which is what I had tried to do months ago. :-)

Someone mentioned why would anyone want Konsole's tabs at the top. I do! The reason is simple: mouse movement. If the tabs are on the bottom, the user must move the mouse from the bottom (for tabs) to the top (for the menus). This seems to me a waste of mouse movement. So with the tabs on top, the user has only a 30-40 pixel vertial movement for tabs and menus. I seriously doubt I'll change the default though, as I really don't care that much...

O.K. I'm ready for the subversion move... need to start on the conversion to XMLGUI (and perhaps KTConfig) for Konsole.


Blogger Aaron J. Seigo said...

how often do you:

a) use the menus during the course of a session

b) use the mouse to switch tabs

c) combine those two actions

personally, i have the menubar turned off completely, but even when i'm in front of a machine where it isn't i use the context menu for the occasional menu access and the keyboard to switch between tabs.

this is a terminal, so i tend to keep my hands on the keyboard.

ever notice how most IRC clients do the same thing? =)

April 29, 2005 at 3:46 PM  
Blogger Anthony Moulen said...

I am with Aaron on this one, never use the menu, in fact it is closed on a fair number of my terminals, and on a few of my windows I also hide the tabs even though I have multiple terminals open in it. I use the shift-[right] or shift-[left] to navigate about.

But that being the case, I can still see why someone may want their tabs at the top. But why not right or left? Even with all these GUI tools, I still find myself at the Konsole window so much each day.

April 29, 2005 at 4:07 PM  
Blogger Alexander Dymo said...

Yeah, who needs mouse in konsole? I'm also with Aaron. He is right when he says that eyes are in the bottom most of the time and topmost location of tabs is really irritating.

April 29, 2005 at 4:14 PM  
Blogger ruurd said...

When am I going to use the mouse in konsole? Almost never. I think the main value of the tabs is keeping context. I like to know in what session I am working. Switching between sessions is done with the keyboard. And no, I don't look much if I type stuff in, but certainly start reading output (if any) from the beginning. Which is at the top. Where my tabs are. Like almost all of them.

Personally, I'm not quite sure what the ruckus is all about. Top, bottom, left, right. Everybody tends to have their computing idiosyncracies and acts accordingly. And that is why I like KDE so much. It does what I want it to do in a large number of cases. One of which is placing konsole tabs on top. Yay!

April 29, 2005 at 8:22 PM  
Blogger obot said...

must agree that top tab is rather uncomfortable (for me). besides, i don't use mouse to move along tabs, i use shift-left/right.

and since we are writing from top to bottom and focus our eyes on the most of the bottom part, it's nice to see the tab and its label on the bottom instead on the top

April 29, 2005 at 11:41 PM  
Blogger khindenburg said...

Perhaps I use the mouse with the Menus/Tabs more often because I'm testing BRs and features, etc...

Again it is not a big deal to me as I couldn't care less. Anyway that's why there settings for these things...

April 30, 2005 at 3:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ideally you shouldn't have to move your eyes to use an interface; it's far more comfortable when the thing you want to use is already where your eyes are focused.

So although you have a point that it means you have to move the mouse less if you happened to want to switch tab after using the menu (which as other people mentioned is not something you do very often), I think the comfort factor of not having to move your eyes from the bottom of the konsole window is more important.

UI design is a million and one compromises, which makes it challenging and simultaneously a PITA! ;-)

April 30, 2005 at 10:38 AM  
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